Comments on: Why Did China Keep Its Exascale Supercomputers Quiet? https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Sun, 10 Dec 2023 08:04:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Katang https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-217391 Sun, 10 Dec 2023 08:04:29 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-217391 In reply to Mark.

There are doubts about the definition of exaFLOPS, whether it means nominal performance R_{Peak} or payload performance R_{Max}; measured by which benchmark (and which real-life workload). There are limits for of supercomputers’ PAYLOAD performance, simply due to the laws of nature: the speed of light (and EM waves) is finite.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228367369_Reevaluating_Amdahl's_law_and_Gustafson's_law
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11227-020-03210-4
Formerly,
https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3015997/china-has-decided-not-fan-flames-super-computing-rivalry-amid-us
referring to political decision. Now they simply keep secret.
Around exascale, the limits approached. Only trial and error development goes on, see for example Aurora, Gyoukou, Fugaku, SpiNNaker, etc.
Yes, there is no China exascale supercomputer. There is no US exascale supercomputer, however. Have a look at
https://www.hpcwire.com/2022/05/30/top500-exascale-is-officially-here-with-debut-of-frontier/
Their first figure shows a ramp on the right side, and a narrow step on the left side. If it would be a similar ramp at the beginning of computing (to collect and distribute data at the beginning and at the end needs the same bus system, and the same behavior), the averaged efficiency would be below 1 eFLOPS. So, they have built a 2nd specialized hidden “supercomputer” just for distributing the data at the beginning. As
https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/05/30/frontier-step-by-step-over-decades-to-exascale/
noticed:
“As configured for the Linpack run, the Frontier system had a power draw of 21.1 megawatts, but
when the Frontier machine is first set loose on the Linpack, it draws an extra 15 megawatts of power as it is starts the job.”
(driving the I/O ports needs power, and that 2nd supercomputer draws some 15 MW extra power for the firs few minutes while the visible supercomputer makes zero FLOPS.). However, if this 2nd supercomputer would be visible, with its 36 MW power consumption it would not be “green” any more.
BTW, this one-time trick work for HPL only; see its HPCG efficiency.

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By: Fluorine https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-212740 Fri, 25 Aug 2023 18:23:07 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-212740 In reply to Ari Sioz.

After more than 70 years of continuous development, New China has been able to compete with the United States as a superpower in the field of cutting-edge technology. If you insist that China has slowed down its scientific and technological progress due to so-called “political system” issues, then the United Kingdom, the United States, and a series of countries that have been constantly overtaken by China, as well as slow developing regions such as Africa and India, Their technology is indeed accelerating rapidly. The so-called century long accumulation of science and technology, which Western scholars are proud of, appears so shallow under the socialist system that there will soon be more breakthroughs in many fields. This is a fact that the US government has to admit, as they have listed China as a comprehensive competitor. China has been implementing the socialist political system for more than 70 years, perhaps this is what you call “deceleration”.

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By: Stew humson https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-197057 Mon, 05 Sep 2022 08:48:01 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-197057 In reply to Ari Sioz.

Westerners have been saying China would fail for decades with no result. Yet your own country and infrastructure is falling apart.

Decelerating science? Do you have any idea on what id actually going on with western companies flocking to China?

Compared to Americans that keep bombing 3rd world countries, China is actually doing something to improve people’s lives unlike backwards countries where poor healthcare leads to a million deaths. Guess that is the new American innovation.

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By: Mark https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-193195 Sat, 25 Jun 2022 00:13:27 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-193195 There is no China exascale supercomputer, China regime CCP finds it as a humilation for their country so they choose to spread false/fake claims to protect their own so called dignity, people who believe China’s story of having an exascale supercomputer and the propaganda of choosing not to make it official or keeping it as a secret, basically have no idea how China regime works.

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By: Ari Sioz https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-192292 Wed, 08 Jun 2022 11:32:37 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-192292 In reply to M.

Your probably pulled that outta your a$$ since the US constantly employs qualified scientists from other countries regardless of politics. This goes way back from operation paperclip. China is bound to fail as they always do, since they practice isolationism (a mix of nationalist communism) and this is mathematically bound to lead in decelerating science. Hope they open up to the world as they’re very smart people.

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By: M https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-171290 Thu, 18 Nov 2021 03:47:55 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-171290 US will sanction Chinese company or scientist who involved in the project. Silent is only peace for China.

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By: David Henry https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-171179 Wed, 17 Nov 2021 03:43:23 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-171179 It is obvious why the Chinese researchers choose to not publish their latest supercomputer progress. Any world-class achievements invite scrutiny from the US government and subsequent sanctions or addition to the Entity List. It is unfortunate that politics has an outsized impact in hindering the technological transparency.

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By: Fidel https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-171163 Wed, 17 Nov 2021 00:01:59 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-171163 The US should keep quiet on weapons that are built here so that the other side doesn’t counter them. Russia and China do so why not us. As long as the US says we got it covered when the other side shows off new weapons, I’ll be satisfied. Stop giving the other side a chance to look at what we have so we can stay on top

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By: Guy D'Esposito https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-171156 Tue, 16 Nov 2021 22:14:56 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-171156 I have a better idea….
maybe it’s a case of “garbage in, garbage out” as is pretty typical with China these days. I suspect that they didn’t achieve what they claim to have achieved.

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By: Rudy Schmitz https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/15/why-did-china-keep-its-exascale-supercomputers-quiet/#comment-171090 Tue, 16 Nov 2021 07:51:31 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139635#comment-171090 Competing in public international competition would not just mean officially publicizing the existence of technics but also putting them under scrutinization. And they do not want to give it away. AI and HPC capabilities are the new ‘cold war’ and you’re not going to show the enemy all you’re guns. Where all the world is familiar with the Nvidia AMD and Intel CPU and GPU techniques (so are the Chinese) they create their own weapons and ammunition.

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